I can assure you the tubing got plenty hot, not just the "thin" part of the notch. I could take more pictures of the discoloration of the tube but I have better things to do (although I will if it will make everyone chill). I refuse to get into a pissing match on welding theory on a forum. :shaking: Well everyone (including you and I) should constantly be learning, we have done a TON of cages most of which have been beaten the piss out of and have NEVER had an issue with welds breaking, cracking or seperating from the tube. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that but I am not on here to talk **** about other peoples junk. The customer and ourselves, are happy with the cage and thats what counts. That's about as nicely as I can respond. :smile: