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Steve97tj
10-03-2012, 08:04 PM
Been reading and looking a lot recently into picking up a new ride, although i've decided to keep saving up until my want becomes more of a need, i figured i would start a discussion to get some opinion and because i'm bored. This could be relevant to a lot of people, but from what i'll be looking for is something i could DD comfortably (driving around town, to work, and trips out of town, probably cross country), that wouldn't break the bank with fuel, cost a lot to keep up with maintenance wise, and be able to tow what i would need it to safely and without killing it (single car trailer with <4500lb Jeep, heavy 17' boat, camper, tractor..) For debate purposes we'll say i drive about 20k miles a year, and i'm wondering cost of ownership over a 5 year period. All SRW, 4wd, would likely put a slightly bigger tire on whatever i owned, Intake and exhaust on anything as well. Would also need seating for 4, crew cab or extended cab with 4 doors.


Trucks i'd likely consider:

Diesels
04-06 Dodge 2500 Cummins h.o.
05-07 GMC 2500hd
possibly a 7.3 or 98 12 valve (only year 4-door) although i'm trying not to buy too old

Gas
04-07 GMC 2500hd 6.0
07-11 Toyota Tundra 5.7
F150 Ecoboost


From what most people say, unless you tow every day or a big load (goosneck), a diesel isn't necessary.
How do you justify your diesel?
How much more expensive is the maintenance on a diesel?
I've read of switching to a micron oil filter with 10k oil changes, does that help with maintenance cost?
Anyone ever gotten out of a diesel to go back to a gasser?
Is paying for diesel that much worse then filling up a gas hog?
6.0 fords can be had cheap, with 4k they can be bulletproofish, worth the hassle?

I don't need to pull a house, but having the power to do whatever job i had and safely is what i'm looking for, i don't want to spend the money on something and a year later find myself needing more truck (say i buy a welder and work out of my truck). A 1500 Z71 would likely pull most of what i would want, but over time i feel it would wear on it harder then a 3/4 ton and cost more.

Any suggestions or things to consider?

matth_85
10-03-2012, 08:20 PM
Ill dig deeper later but I it was me I'd do a lbz late 06 early 07 duramax.

LBarr2002
10-03-2012, 08:55 PM
I justify my diesel because I drive a Honda every day and only drive the truck when I need to haul or tow something.

Diesel routine maintenance isn't that big of a concern. Oil changes cost you a little more (10 qts for an lb7) and fuel filters every 15,000-25,000 miles ($60). The problem is when things go wrong, the parts and labor are much higher.

Me, Dad, and DJ have an '01 Duramax 2500, '04 5.3 1500, and '06 6.0 1500HD. On the trip to Windrock, mine and Dad's trucks both averaged around 12 mpg, mine is a little better. DJ's was much worse. I don't think he figured the numbers but he was asking to stop for fuel when we were both just below half tank... Dad's truck pulls the Sami fine, but it doesn't like big hills and he can't just set cruise and ride like I do. Daily driving, unloaded, my truck has gotten 20mpg, but probably averages 16-18. Dad's gets 16-18, and DJ's gets 14ish. When you factor in fuel costs, the 5.3 is definitely cheaper, and the 6.0 is probably about even.

matth_85
10-03-2012, 09:30 PM
From what most people say, unless you tow every day or a big load (goosneck), a diesel isn't necessary. I would agree with that. If your towing single a x-cab or crew cab 6.0 Chevy is perfectly fine for a light load. Cut up Jeep and light trailer. However, you will get 10 MPG (or worse) from what I have seen and experienceced. Thats basing a Harlan tow. Locally you should see a bit better or to Bama area.

How do you justify your diesel? I justify mine because I got a smokin deal on it. I really don't even drive the truck much anymore since I got the TJ. It's bulky and a PITA to park. It's sweet to have for road trips and towing though. And the fact I can double tow to Harlan and split fuel. Major plus there. I only spent $70 for fuel this past trip. Deano was kind enough to help us out.

How much more expensive is the maintenance on a diesel? Figure double for everything honestly. Double on services and mechanic work unelss you can turn the wrenches yourself if you have to. If you get a well taken care of truck you shouldn't worry about wrench dollars for a long time though. Keep fuel filter changed like Larry said on a D-max is $60 for the filter and remove pass inner fender to change. If you buy a dodge figure a transmission every 120K miles if you tow with it or unless you have a really good trans put in.

I've read of switching to a micron oil filter with 10k oil changes, does that help with maintenance cost? Mehh?? Idk. I just change mine every 5K. A diesel is so dirty that its black the first start up anyway.

Anyone ever gotten out of a diesel to go back to a gasser? Don't think I ever will go without my diesel. Had one since 06 I think.

Is paying for diesel that much worse then filling up a gas hog? No. Even my emission BS I still get 14MPG constant and thats mainly town driving. It will do 16 on the HWY and any 6.0 gas truck I have been in has been 10-12. It works about even IMO.

6.0 fords can be had cheap, with 4k they can be bulletproofish, worth the hassle? No. Just no. Hell no. Fawk no. Stay away like it's a girl with the clap. Yes they can be fixed but from my experience even then they still are questionable at best.


You mentioned a 12 Valve. I like the 12 valve but your getting an old *** truck then. Nothing more than an x-cab option with no doors. Transmissions are crap along with interior. They are bulletproof motor wise and tow great with little work, and can be had cheap for the most part.

If I was to get a dodge I would get an 04-early 05 with no emmisions (no cat) and H.O. I would look strongly into a powertrain warranty to cover the trans though.

A 7.3 truck is a good un' but what your gonna find is that the ones that are out there will be worn out and miled the hell up. Front end will be clapped out, injectors will start being weak, and auto trans is **** typically. If you do find a clean low mile truck it will bring retarted money because of the history.

As I said before the best truck for the money in your choices are the LBZ duramax's. Late 06-early 07. 20ish MPG stock. Most powerfull Duramax made with no emissions junk.

If you go with a gasser, i'd be hard pressed not to just buy a crew cab short bed loaded out new body truck and do some suspension and brake upgrades. Those trucks get over 20 MPG and are super nice.

I don't need to pull a house, but having the power to do whatever job i had and safely is what i'm looking for, i don't want to spend the money on something and a year later find myself needing more truck (say i buy a welder and work out of my truck). A 1500 Z71 would likely pull most of what i would want, but over time i feel it would wear on it harder then a 3/4 ton and cost more.

Any suggestions or things to consider?

Steve97tj
10-03-2012, 09:34 PM
I've always been a cummins fan. I know people always say the truck will fall apart around the engine but it's what i've always prefered. They are prone to having weak transmissions, and owners who can't be realistic with the actual mileage they get. I think the GM trucks are comfortable as hell and ride great for a big truck. Don't like the IFS front end weakness they have, though upgraded balljoints, TRE and upper control arms are a $1k upgrade. I've always been a ford guy, i just feel like i've heard to many horror stories of everything they offer except there 7.3.

From what i understand, what kills diesels is short trips and around the town driving. Although i have friends who daily there dmax, 6.0 pstroke, and cummins, i feel it's almost necessary to have something else for short drives. In 3.5 years, i have put close to 70k on my tacoma, most of that is highway miles, i put less then that in the 5 years i drove my jeep everyday.

I like toyota's, and have always heard good things about the newer tundra's, although never been in one. My parents neighbor has one with the 5.7 that he pulls his 21' center console boat with, not sure of the weight but it's a big bitch. Marcus's 6.0 pulls his TJ around great from what i have seen, and from what i can remember it got the same if not better mileage towing as most of the diesel guys when i was with him at windrock/harlan. From what i remember the 6.0 power wise isn't that much different then the 5.3, but the rest of the truck is alot more burly. I'm not sure what the difference in the 1500hd is though.

I've seen a lot about the ecoboost in the past few months pop up and seem a lot of praise behind it. I've always thought the interior in fords felt plasticy and a little too busy for me. I like turbo's though.........Intake, exhaust and tune and they seem to put down pretty good numbers hp/torque wise and most claim high teens for mpg. I read on a thread on pirate too that they use the same brakes from 04-? f250's and with bag's in the rear they are nice to drive and tow with.

LBarr2002
10-03-2012, 09:47 PM
I'm not sure what the difference in the 1500hd is though.


From what I've seen, it's basically a 2500... DJ's truck has a semi-float 14 instead of full float, ato nd it doesn't sit quite as high. The springs look the same. I don't know if there's any difference in the front end.

When I bought my truck it had 174,000 miles on it. The front end had never been touched, worn slap out. I paid a local shop to completely rebuild it ($1200). I've heard a lot of people complain about the IFS and how weak it is, but 174,000 miles seems pretty good to me.

I'd like to know how Marcus' truck does MPG wise to Windrock and Harlan.

Steve97tj
10-03-2012, 09:50 PM
I was typing ^ when you posted.

Matt that's pretty much what i wanted to hear. When i was looking at getting a truck in '09 i was splitting duty in my Jeep and my 94 dodge spirit (best car i have ever owned) i looked at a few 24 valves that didn't look to be to tampered with but talked myself out of something that big, considered a z71 then too but i knew once i was out of school i would want something powerful and don't see myself ever not having 2 vehicles.

I like the 2nd gen cummins, 12 and 24, but like you said, the newest one is 10 years old atleast and i'd like to get into something made in the 2000s, with power windows and locks, none of which i've ever had. I considered a 12 valve just to get a stupid simple truck to learn a bit about diesels from and eventually upgrade, but i'd rather do it right the first time.



Another question, i've talked to a lot of people who said they wish they would have bought a manual instead of the auto, they are hard as hell to find but as far as a manual in a diesel is concerned, is it that much better?

Is insurance different with a diesel?

LBarr2002
10-03-2012, 09:56 PM
Another question, i've talked to a lot of people who said they wish they would have bought a manual instead of the auto, they are hard as hell to find but as far as a manual in a diesel is concerned, is it that much better?

Is insurance different with a diesel?

If I was looking for a Dodge, I would be looking for a manual. Chevy, the Allison is by far the best option. I've driven 7.3 fords with manuals and they were ok, but the clutch was so heavy it sucked stop and go. I've driven 6.0 fords with both auto and manual and liked the manual better. The auto 6.0s seemed sluggish.

I don't know if there is a difference with insurance. Resale is higher on diesels and milage doesn't affect the price as much.

matth_85
10-03-2012, 10:13 PM
A manual is tits towing. Driving in trafic blows. Had both. Would not let that effect my decision honestly. Mainly for the fact I love the Duramax and a 6 speed is no longer an option and they were super rare to boot.

If I bought a Dodge, I would seek a 6 speed.

Insurance on any heavier vehicle is higher. The more damage you can cause, the more insurance you shall pay. Nature of the beast.

(Knock on wood). For example. My truck is an 07.5 Crew Cab LTZ 2500 with D-max. My insurance is $450ish for full coverage with low deductables every 6 mo. I am 27 YO and have a pretty much flawless driving record. I don't think thats too bad. Mine is right at $200 every 6 mo on the TJ with full coverage.

Steve97tj
10-03-2012, 10:47 PM
I enjoy driving a manual, what i've always owned, but i sure do like being able to jump in put it in drive and just get my lean on and roll out. I'd only buy a stock truck no matter what, that's getting hard to find it seems with diesels becoming the new imports. Finding a manual in that too is alot harder. I would likely put some type of programmer on a diesel if i was to get one, williams 04.5 LLY with 315 duratracs on it gets 13-14mpg with an intake, inlet and 4" exhaust with no tuner, seems awfully low. EFIlive seems to waken those motors up alot.

450 isnt that bad for insurance at all, who do you have it through? I forget what i pay for my tacoma now but i have state farm.

One thing i don't like about the tundra and f150 is the oddball rim size they use 18s and 20s, tires are a good bit more with less options.

I read this thread today on break that got my gears turning more about a rig
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/1094774-god-damn-ecoboost-gave-my-duramax-run-its-money.html
I've always thought the ecoboost was a bunch of crap but i keep seeing it pop more and more, although numbers are just numbers, they look impressive..

matth_85
10-03-2012, 10:55 PM
State Farm. Been with them all my life. I have always heard you should swap every 3 years to get the best rates but they do me right so I stick there.

The Tundra's are very ballsy but mullet of god they are ugly.

The Eco Boost IMO, I don't see it lasting 200K and even though I know it will never happen I don't intend on getting rid of any of my vehicles any time soon these days so I want whatever I have to well surpass that before major maintenance is needed.

01tj
10-04-2012, 06:23 AM
I love my 6.0 2500 HD. It usually gets 10 MPG going to Harlan, and a little better going to Windrock or the Alabama parks. It tows way better than I would have expected. I'm not a fan of the 12 or 24 valve Dodges. Id much rather have the 24 valve than the 12 valve, but its still that same ol' truck. If I were to go with a Dodge it would have to be an '06 so you get the newer front end and the Common rail 5.9. A 7.3 Ford isn't a speed demon but would be reliable if you find one thats already had a transmisson put in it. I wouldn't be scared of a 6.0 Ford, knowing what you may or may not get into. The newer Tundras don't impress me one bit. They have plenty of power, but don't hold the weight at all. I remember at GSSE Beaty said that he was getting like 5 MPG towing with this newer Tundra. I just can't see a Eco-Boost truck holding the weight and stopping the weight of a rig all that well.

Steve97tj
10-04-2012, 08:42 AM
It seems the 6.0 are a toss up a lot of times. You said your dad hasn't had any trouble out of his. Ryan Morris bought that white 4 door 6.0 from Harvey's lot and the egr cooler started leaking on it while pulling a trailer somewhere. He took it to a diesel shop in Petersburg, va and they replaced all the problems with it and bulletproofed it for about 4k, hasn't had a problem since and has put a good many more miles on it since then, although not really towing.

I feel the only gasser to consider is the 6.0 2500hd. They are common enough that if something messes up your likely to find one in a yard. Ecoboost and new tundra aren't as common.

I like the facelifted cummins in 06, but they changed the interior in them too and from what I've read, it's a lot less uncomfortable then previous years. You can swap the front ends easily to newer style. I think 04 & 05 was last years they had a manual shift transfer case in them as well which I like more then the push button. Mega cab isn't really needed for me either which came out in 06.

250f4life
10-04-2012, 09:23 AM
Just go to cumminsforum, powerstrokenation, and a duramax forum and start doing home work. Every vehicle has its flaws no doubt. Just have to find the ones it's minimized on. Hence the reason for me going to a 12valve pump truck. Yeah the interior is junk and people say junk for transmissions. Most trans failures are the drivers fault. Just ask any trans shop in the country. They are simple to work on and are known as the most reliable engine built. For instance my TPS sensor was $130, Jerods on his 05 is almost $700. Look at what a set of Duramax injectors cost? Which are highly known to cause problems. My 01, f250 with a 6 speed was a great towin truck. Long as a school bus and turned like crap but over all the interior was nice and finished well. Got 20mpg every tank around town and 10 towing. My dodge is 15-16 around town, 20 empty on the interstate and 15-16 towing my yota to Harlan.
You just have to decide what's best for you application and figure out which diesel cost you the least in the long run. If I was recommending you one truck it would be a crew cab f250, 7.3. I wouldnt be scared of high miles aslong as its been maintained. They are just good trucks.

nsfbl60
10-23-2012, 03:05 AM
It all comes down to personal preference and u get what u pay for my truck is 05 cummins have no clue what it gets mpg. For most part really dont care unless it get to the point im puting fuel in it ever day. That being said if i had take a guess i would say 20 ish (with tran acting up )around town. Im kinda up in the air on what i get towing cause i never thank to keep up with it. But for a gage of distance i have towed double to grey rock 2 or 3 time and wind rock both useing a tank there and tank back. Both are about egual distance but wind rock is a much harder tow and slower tow grey rock when i get on the I20 in thompson it 75 to 80 all the way to burmingham. But it all comes down to what u want how long u intend on keeping it if u thank you are not gone keep it but for a few year get a gas truck. If u are gone keep it and drive it and u prefer cummins get a cummins they are well known to be high millage motors. Yea u might half to replace parts to keep up with the motor but 9 time out of 10 u gone half to replace same parts on a 1/2 ton gas truck to and more often. As far as the dodge trans goes mine has been acting up for a year or so now at slow speeds but not slipping and has 174k on it if it give out tom i ant lost nothing i will put a good quality one back in it drive another 174k. But as said from the start its personal preference and u get what u pay for dont let someone else opinion be the deciding factor cause no mater the gas milage, truck, motor or trans they all gone have there good and bads.

250f4life
10-23-2012, 03:14 AM
^^^^thanks for the headache Jerod....now we know you don't have to spell to work at Eaton! Now I know why Marcus never post long paragraphs! Lol

nsfbl60
10-23-2012, 04:04 AM
I will be the first to say I suck at spelling or typing anything :flipoff2:

01tj
10-23-2012, 06:10 AM
^^^^thanks for the headache Jerod....now we know you don't have to spell to work at Eaton! Now I know why Marcus never post long paragraphs! Lol

H8rz gon hait! :flipoff2:

matth_85
10-23-2012, 11:09 AM
cause no mater the gas milage, truck, motor or trans they all gone have there good and bads.

Thats possibly the best info in this thread. Courtesy of DJ.

jimbo92
02-15-2013, 02:54 PM
Can't believe I missed this thread. 1500hd trucks have the pos 4l65e trans. No matter what the rest of the truck is it still has a pos half ton trans. Nice good mileage diesel is to expensive. A nice low mileage gas crew is too expensive. They are all too expensive. Best bang for the buck is a burb. I would love a truck but can't justify the 4 k premium over a burb. On any newer gm truck gas or diesel I wouldn't really take mileage into consideration. I would base it more on overall condition. 80-110k is when gma have all their headaches and seems to be good about forever after that.

Steve97tj
02-15-2013, 03:05 PM
I'm still dreaming. It will be awhile until i'm ready to buy anything with getting hitched and moving in October and finding a new job, but combining income sure will be nice and easier to have "extra money" living alone is fawkin expensive, but worth it.

The only two truck's i'd consider would be a Ecoboost F150 or a Cummins. I've just always been a Cummins fanboy and love the newer f150s. With Melissa getting a new ride soon i'll take over her XJ (actually been driving it daily for past few weeks)and I wouldn't mind a bigger, nicer truck that i didn't have to drive everyday. F150s would have to come down a good bit for me to want to pay for one though.

David D
02-19-2013, 09:31 PM
I went to look at a 2013 Tundra today. All they would do was spit monthly payments at me, and lease options so I walked out. I asked multiple times for a price and they wouldn't give one. It's amazing what people will do for the right monthly payment. Not to mention that the the best payment they offered me would end up with me paying $1,000 more than full sticker when all was said and done.

jimbo92
02-21-2013, 08:31 AM
Why the hell would you want a new tundra? They suck

jimbo92
02-21-2013, 08:34 AM
After reading this I don't feel so bad about my $322 a month for 48 on my Dodge. Does suck that a $3700 trade in value was barely enough to cover the interest rate :shaking:

Geeeez what did you do get it from a buy here pay here?

David D
02-21-2013, 09:03 AM
Why the hell would you want a new tundra? They suck

There badass. Looking used, I would consider a dodge, ford, or the tundra but I'm leaning mostly towards the tundra.

Twilliamson
02-21-2013, 09:09 AM
I went to look at a 2013 Tundra today. All they would do was spit monthly payments at me, and lease options so I walked out. I asked multiple times for a price and they wouldn't give one. It's amazing what people will do for the right monthly payment. Not to mention that the the best payment they offered me would end up with me paying $1,000 more than full sticker when all was said and done.

I had the same problem when I bought my New car... Took forever to give me a damn price. I had the means of writing them a check and they still wouldn't give me a price...

blacrubi
02-21-2013, 09:10 AM
There badass. Looking used, I would consider a dodge, ford, or the tundra but I'm leaning mostly towards the tundra.

Seem to be leaving out the best option! Where's the Chevy?

97TJGUZZY
02-21-2013, 09:10 AM
There badass. Looking used, I would consider a dodge, ford, or the tundra but I'm leaning mostly towards the tundra.

everytime I see one of the newer tundras all I can think of is this

2751

YJeeper
02-21-2013, 09:28 AM
everytime I see one of the newer tundras all I can think of is this

2751

I just spit my drink everywhere... im glad somebody else thinks the same.. ha ha ha

jimbo92
02-21-2013, 09:31 AM
Seem to be leaving out the best option! Where's the Chevy?

New Chevys are so far out of date it's not even funny. Next years truck looks promising but you would be a sucker to buy one this year. Only two I would consider would be a Ram or a Ford for the current model year. New toyotas have nothing in common with what gave old toyotas their reputation. Ill say it again new tundras are junk. They are made out of beer cans and get horrible fuel mileage.

YJeeper
02-21-2013, 09:37 AM
I must say if i was going to buy new it would probably be a dodge... I love my ford, and would take an ecoboost in a hearbeat if they were reasonable... but the dodge with the link suspension and the 8 speed tranny seems to be an all around great platform.. And the ram box is a damn cool idea..

Steve97tj
02-21-2013, 10:09 AM
F150 for the booooobst.... I think they look sick too and I don't like many new vehicles really. The rear end isn't my favorite but its grown on me. My dads 1990 has been a good truck although its practically new now since he's had to replace damn near everything on it. Newer f150 have air conditioned seats too which is luxury car status but you'll pay for all that jazz.


I couldn't buy a new truck unless I won the lottery or struck gold. I just wouldnt want to pay on something for more then 3 years and honestly that's stretching it. A paid off truck is the best truck to have.

David D
02-21-2013, 11:04 AM
New Chevys are so far out of date it's not even funny. Next years truck looks promising but you would be a sucker to buy one this year. Only two I would consider would be a Ram or a Ford for the current model year. New toyotas have nothing in common with what gave old toyotas their reputation. Ill say it again new tundras are junk. They are made out of beer cans and get horrible fuel mileage.

After looking at the new ram yesterday, I like it but there is no way I can afford new in either truck. I'm hunting a used truck now, but still leaning towards a tundra, can't find anyone that owns one that dislikes it.

WolfGT
02-21-2013, 11:15 AM
I am a huge fan of american vehicles but Chevy has some big issues that they seem to be unwilling to address. Ford made some major changes before the economy went to **** and they are better for it. Selling off all the off brands they had and getting better car designers and working on their tired look. Chevy hasn't done any of that with the exception of the camaro and the volt. The company is still fat and they will end up paying for it. If I bought a truck it would be a ford, but mainly because my dad is retired from there and I can get a heck of a deal.

David D
02-21-2013, 11:59 AM
I'd buy a ford tomorrow if they weren't so damn expensive. Just a normal truck from them is 40k+.

YJeeper
02-21-2013, 12:13 PM
the killer is the F250 6.7l is only like $1000 more than the ecoboost...

matth_85
02-21-2013, 12:55 PM
Dodges..... Meh. Yack


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WolfGT
02-21-2013, 01:53 PM
The fords are expensive. But that statement is true for any truck of that size nowadays. Me and my brother were looking at the F250's and if you wanted anything on it other than plain jane, it was over 50 grand. That's just crazy. These are supposed to be work vehicles. To be beat on and abused. Back when I worked around farmers day in and day out, I don't remember knowing anyone that was going to drop 50 grand on a work truck. They are great trucks, but they seem to have lost a little focus loading them all up with the luxury items.

cannonball
02-21-2013, 02:48 PM
The fords are expensive. But that statement is true for any truck of that size nowadays. Me and my brother were looking at the F250's and if you wanted anything on it other than plain jane, it was over 50 grand. That's just crazy. These are supposed to be work vehicles. To be beat on and abused. Back when I worked around farmers day in and day out, I don't remember knowing anyone that was going to drop 50 grand on a work truck. They are great trucks, but they seem to have lost a little focus loading them all up with the luxury items.

Lets be honest though, the majority of people don't even use a truck to be a truck anymore. I know people who are afraid to put stuff in their bed because they don't have a bed liner and it will scratch the paint on the inside of the bed.

matth_85
02-21-2013, 03:40 PM
2756

Mine goes to work. But stays clean.


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David D
02-22-2013, 08:09 PM
That's a good looking truck right there! And I don't really like chevy's.

tater_kamik
02-22-2013, 11:47 PM
I have a 2012 f150 ecoboost and love it. Lots of bells and whistles and stuff to go wrong. The power is very impressive, much better than the 5.0 that I drive for a week and better than my 5.4. The six speed transmission is great but the way the shifting strategy is leaves room for improvement. I do like the tow haul mode and being able to eliminate gears that it will shift into. I cannot tell if the anti sway works, but that is a good thing I suppose. The built in brake controller and ability to save trailer profiles is nice. I do not like how I have to disable the backup alarm, the old ones I just pushed a button on the dash. my lifetime average mpg is 20.5 and I did notice a 2 mpg drop when it got cold (I bought it in the end of August).

I haven't towed with it much, just enough to know that it handles 5-8k loads very well. I haven't done anything heavier nor gone far enough to get solid mpg readings. it does suck some fuel when you get on it though.

I wanted a diesel but for the amount that I tow vs daily drive it didn't make sense and I didn't want the extra costs. My sticker was 45k and I got it down too 34k so it wasn't too bad. I had also gotten a more expensive fx4 down to the same price.

If I did it again I would have gotten a 4x4 only because it gets a 36 gallon tank vs a 26, completely stupid for ford to have done that. I also would have gotten a 2013 since they put power folding and telescoping mirrors off of the f250. If only I had known....

bgredjeep
02-23-2013, 09:43 AM
I bought my truck new in 05. I'm not the type to buy a new car every couple of years so I was planning to buy something I would keep a long time. I also knew that while I would be using this as a DD, towing a jeep was the only reason I was getting it so with that in mind I went with a 2500 Dodge CTD.

I got a basic truck, no frills. The only power option on mine is under the hood where it counts. It pulls great. I regularly haul 2 rigs on my gooseneck trailer and it pulls like a champ. 75-80 on the interstate, just set cruise control a ride.

WeRideNTruX
02-23-2013, 07:40 PM
Lets be honest though, the majority of people don't even use a truck to be a truck anymore. I know people who are afraid to put stuff in their bed because they don't have a bed liner and it will scratch the paint on the inside of the bed.
Haha my grandpaw bought his 2000 Chevy 2500 new & all its ever been is a farm truck the bedliner is a sheet of plywood & hay but sadly your right & he's in the minority of truck of ppl who buy trucks to day oh & he only paid 20k for it too

01tj
07-10-2013, 08:22 AM
I'll bring this back up, I think I'm gonna start looking for a newer tow rig....

250f4life
07-10-2013, 08:23 AM
The 6.0 just ain't cutting it anymore?

250f4life
07-10-2013, 08:25 AM
After towing with my dads truck for 4k miles if I was getting a new tow rig it would be a Dodge with the factory exhaust brake. Period

01tj
07-10-2013, 08:34 AM
After towing with my dads truck for 4k miles if I was getting a new tow rig it would be a Dodge with the factory exhaust brake. Period

She still getting it!! I just figure its getting about that time for a newer one....

matth_85
07-10-2013, 09:36 AM
After towing with my dads truck for 4k miles if I was getting a new tow rig it would be a Dodge with the factory exhaust brake. Period

When you make the payment every month set aside some Trans money for when its paid for. Hahaha

Clemson5.9ZJ
07-10-2013, 12:36 PM
I'm a huge fan of the fords. I love the way they look and every time I've ridden in one towing I've been impressed. I'm leaning towards getting one after I graduate next year but all the talk about the 6.0s and 6.4s causing headaches is worrying me. Pulling the cab off to change a water pump is horrible. Might look at a bulletproofed 6.0 and hope for the best. A 6.7 is out of my price range for sure and I want a newer truck so leaning away from a 7.3. But I'm not biased and would drive a cummins or dirty max if I found the right deal.

Jankoid
07-10-2013, 01:17 PM
I love my 2000 F250 7.3. Pulls great and still runs like a champ with 175,000 on it. I'd rather have it than any newer truck.

meaders
07-10-2013, 03:37 PM
CTD in a Ford F250/350. That would have been the best selling truck period.

01tj
07-10-2013, 03:55 PM
I'll be daily driving this truck so it will have to be newer.

LR Max
07-10-2013, 05:15 PM
A lot of the newer SUVs have really, really good power. For example, I know a number of guys who tow their 4k lb trail truck with a Land Rover LR3. I know its not anywhere near as good as an american diesel 1 ton, but if you are towing once every other month or so, its quite nice to have a super nice SUV the rest of the time. 300hp, air suspension, tows just fine. Most of these guys are towing once every 3 months so having a usable SUV the rest of the time is quite nice.

Back in normal people world (sorry, I am really hot and heavy on a LR3 right now), the new 6.2 V8 from chevy + the 6 speed auto trans, I can only assume it tows like a champion. I know for a fact that the newest Yukon Denali XL trucks are very, very, very nice (probably out of your price range but I suspect the newer burbs are right there with it). Except for Harlan, seems like most of the other wheeling places these days are pretty close to reasonably sized 4 lane roads. Same story with the ford Expedition. Very good, stout gasser V8s and transmissions.

However I echo what everyone else has said, the diesel brings all kinds of win in the towing department. However anything with less than 100k on the clock still demands a decent amount of coin.

VOLT
07-10-2013, 10:14 PM
I love my 09 Ford 6.4. It handles the hills like nothing loaded to the gills.

01tj
07-10-2013, 10:31 PM
I love my 09 Ford 6.4. It handles the hills like nothing loaded to the gills.

What kinda mileage you get towing and in town?

VOLT
07-10-2013, 10:41 PM
Dog piss. 13-14 around town and 11 towing. Completely stock though. I only put between 8-9K a year on it so its not that bad for me. I have heard that there are several solutions to the poor mpg but I have no intentions of modifying this one.

308turbo
07-10-2013, 10:51 PM
Dog piss. 13-14 around town and 11 towing. Completely stock though. I only put between 8-9K a year on it so its not that bad for me. I have heard that there are several solutions to the poor mpg but I have no intentions of modifying this one.

6.4 do a lot better using fuel additive... my uncle knows those trucks in and out

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VOLT
07-10-2013, 11:02 PM
Do you know what additive he recommends?

Twilliamson
07-10-2013, 11:28 PM
I've had friends with the 6.0,6.4 and 6.7 F250s. All applicable DPF removal and EGR deletes. ,The 6.4 running a SCT live wire with Rudys custom tunes was a absolute beast.... now granted my buddy traded it in for a 6.7 after he found metal shavings in the oil pan but It was abused regularly.. Once raced a Benz up to 145 on 35 inch KM2's yeah the Benz got its *** cut. 6.7 was much quieter even with the same cat less dpf less exhaust setup and I would say pulled better but didn't get as good mileage as the 6.4. We constantly pulled around 10-20k loads and had no trouble passing people on the interstate. BTW it was Chase with the 6.4 and 6.7.

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308turbo
07-11-2013, 05:58 AM
Do you know what additive he recommends?

He used the cetane booster for awhile then he whiched to some kind of ford cetane boost only because he could get a better deal on it

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jimbo92
07-12-2013, 11:13 AM
The big problem with alot of these new diesels are people hot rodding the sheet out of them. New 6.7 dodges with blown a head gasket were a regular occurrence at big o. About all of them had an h&s chip turned all the way up and pulled alot. Stupid is as stupid does. Leave em alone and they are all good trucks. It mainly comes down to specifics on which one does your particular task best. A new 6.7 dodge is a beast but a ford and gm will wax it's ***. However the 6.7 will never make you wish for more power. Most trucks are bought based on brand loyalty. Then cab configuration and whoever has the coolest new gadget.

matth_85
07-12-2013, 11:25 AM
I agree with that. I am not exactly brand loyal but I am a Chevy guy at heart. My first diesel was a Ford, which I loved. Just didn't do exactly what I wanted it to do. And, I got a smoking deal on my Chevy. From driving all of them the Chevy is the most comfortable truck IMO as well as the best DD. The new trucks 11 and up's are all ridiculously nice though.

The modern diesels are tuned way the heck up from the factory, and shouldn't be messed with. Or atleast not jacked WAY up. Me and Jay run a mild tow tune on our trucks and it's mainly for a little improved MPG. It does help with the towing going to Harlan also. I would eventually like to do a on the fly adjustable tune with a couple different tow tunes based on weight behind me and a MPG only tune as well as deleting the DPF and adding an exhaust brake. I also plan on keeping this truck for a long, long time.

jimbo92
07-12-2013, 11:31 AM
Chevy is definitely the better dd due to being smaller and lower. I was in Demarcus shoes I would prob do a 07 and up gas extended cab with Bose. Extended cabs are way cheaper than a crew. The new 6.0 and 6 speed are a slick combo and will walk the dog on the old 6.0 4 speed, which seemed to do the job well.

tater_kamik
07-12-2013, 12:25 PM
Just a little update on my ecoboost since an ecoboost was originally an option for OP.

So far, it has been great. I did put a tuner on it, 87 perf/ tow from 5 star tuning. No mpg increase that I can tell but more power and more importantly the shifting strategy is much better. I get around 23mpg to and from work and over 21mpg average.

Towing is very impressive, it makes my old 5.4 seem like it was a 4 banger. I can just set the cruise and run down the highway at 75 with ease. Mileage while towing is what I would expect, somewhere in the range of 14mpg using cruise running 75mph towing a bit over 6k estimated. Ford put in a lot of little gee whiz niceties for towing, nothing earth shattering just makes life easier.

I haven't had any real issues with it. I did have it reflashed and had to have the intercooler replaced under a TSB.

Overall, I am very pleased with the truck. It is nice to be getting that kind of mileage while paying for cheaper gas instead of paying for diesel when I do not tow that much.

WolfGT
08-05-2013, 08:45 AM
Woohoo! My tow rig finally showed up on Friday. Now I just need a trailer.

http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/wolfgtweb/temporary_zps3f371bd5.jpg (http://s1329.photobucket.com/user/wolfgtweb/media/temporary_zps3f371bd5.jpg.html)

jimbo92
08-05-2013, 09:20 AM
Nice, where that guy come from? 5.0 Truck?

WolfGT
08-05-2013, 09:45 AM
Ohio. Bought it from my brother. Yes, it's a 2013 F150 with the 5.0, 4x4 and factory tow package with trailer brakes.

jimbo92
08-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Nice, that 5.0 is great.

97TJGUZZY
08-05-2013, 09:52 AM
looks great Greg!

01tj
08-05-2013, 09:55 AM
Harveys Duramax pulled two like a Champ all the way to Gray Rock. Only thing I dont like about it is the small fuel tank.

Steve97tj
08-05-2013, 10:13 AM
Looks good Greg.