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cannonball
10-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Well as most of you know, my dana 30 blew up this weekend. I picked up 44 from an 1988 grand wagoneer yesterday, and now its on to building it. I am going to post up pictures as i build it in this thread, try to provide some tech, and i will ask my questions in here as well.

Here is a pic of what i'm starting with

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/347931A4-838A-4707-AA64-3F3DC411F8DE-2165-000000CD7BDDAA29.jpg

Yesterday me and J.R. (XJ savage) went out to pull apart and mix matched a bunch of parts to get a good starting platform to build this thing. What i have so far is 1 ford ttb rotor and hub, 2 warn premos, and calipers. so as of now i need some small bearing chevy 44 spindles, a passenger side chevy knuckle, gears, and chromos.

matth_85
10-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Damn. I woulda had the spindles and knuckles for ya but have sold most of it. Still have one spindle. Pretty sure it's small bearing. Marcus thought it was. I know very little about Dana 44 stuff.

cannonball
10-16-2012, 08:59 PM
dang man, i would have grabbed that stuff off ya if i'd a known the 30 was gonna crap out on its 4th wheelin trip.

matth_85
10-16-2012, 08:59 PM
Lol. Ya never know.

Steve97tj
10-16-2012, 09:53 PM
I have small bearing spindles, may have an extra knuckle too. Your running 5-lug i'm guessing?

cannonball
10-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Yeah gonna do 5x5.5

01tj
10-16-2012, 10:01 PM
Yeah gonna do 5x5.5

Is there something wrong with one of the knuckles you got or you wanting a flat top knuckle?

cannonball
10-16-2012, 10:13 PM
Who's got the best deals on chromos right now?

Marcus i need a flat top so i can run a high steer arm on that side for the drag link, so that the drag link matches the throw of the TJ pitman arm. And steve if you have those parts laying around i'm interested in them.

knobby97
10-16-2012, 11:39 PM
Who's got the best deals on chromos right now?.

I'd say ECGS, but call them instead of purchasing via the net. Try to get ahold of either Chase or Ryan if you call, and make sure that you do your lowest price research as they'll usually beat it. I picked up the front and rear 10 factory chromos for my JK and the inner chromos for my TJ from them and they beat everyone's shipped price by a decent amount.



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cannonball
10-17-2012, 12:04 AM
I'd say ECGS, but call them instead of purchasing via the net. Try to get ahold of either Chase or Ryan if you call, and make sure the do you lowest price research as they'll usually beat it. I picked up the front and rear 10 factory chromos for my JK and the inner chromos for my TJ from them and they beat everyone's shipped price by a decent amount.



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Cool thanks for letting me know that. I will be calling them sometime soon

matth_85
10-17-2012, 12:22 AM
Call RPM offroad as well.

01tj
10-17-2012, 11:10 AM
Yea RPM Offroad is where I got my old Chromos. Woodlee has pretty good prices at Wide Open Design.

97TJGUZZY
10-17-2012, 11:46 AM
CFS is local and may be able to work a deal with you.

97TJGUZZY
10-17-2012, 05:27 PM
There is a set of Reid Racing Knuckles on Craigslist for $350

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/pts/3281278401.html

cannonball
10-17-2012, 05:39 PM
There is a set of Reid Racing Knuckles on Craigslist for $350

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/pts/3281278401.html

yeah i saw those... just not sure if i'm ready to spend that much money on knuckles..

01tj
10-18-2012, 03:08 PM
Heres how mine are
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/XJ--TJ-Jeep-combo-bracket-upgrade-kit_p_1542.html

cannonball
10-18-2012, 04:22 PM
Heres how mine are
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/XJ--TJ-Jeep-combo-bracket-upgrade-kit_p_1542.html

thats similar to how i was thinking about doing it. i was thinking about buying this one

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Link-bracket-coil-spring-shock-mount-combo_p_1461.html

as these are half the price, and are pretty close to the same design, and i don't need the track bar mount.

97TJGUZZY
10-18-2012, 04:24 PM
thats similar to how i was thinking about doing it. i was thinking about buying this one

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Link-bracket-coil-spring-shock-mount-combo_p_1461.html

as these are half the price, and are pretty close to the same design, and i don't need the track bar mount.

you need some angle on the control arm brackets, those wont work in a TJ with stock Coil mounts on the frame.

cannonball
10-18-2012, 04:32 PM
you need some angle on the control arm brackets, those wont work in a TJ with stock Coil mounts on the frame.

why cause the links will be up into the frame, similar to how they are in the rear of mine?

edit: sorry misread that post. i understand now.

97TJGUZZY
10-18-2012, 04:35 PM
why cause the links will be up into the frame, similar to how they are in the rear?

if you put those brackets where they line up with your coils on the frame vertically, then your control arms will be straight back, which will be all up in your tires when you turn. The control arms need to angle in to the frame mounts.

cannonball
10-18-2012, 04:36 PM
whose mounts are you running brooks? or how are they set up?

97TJGUZZY
10-18-2012, 04:38 PM
http://www.collinsbrosjeep.com/images/partsjeeps/2002%20Jeep%20TJ%20-%201J4FA49S92P755431/100_0936.JPG

you can kindov tell from this pic

Steve97tj
10-18-2012, 06:00 PM
I have the combo brackets from ballistic on my 44 and they send the control arms straight back. I'm hoping with the angled frame mounts it will solve the issue as how i had them mocked up they would be all up in the way of tires. With them on the driver side of the axle it crowded thats for sure.

97TJGUZZY
10-18-2012, 06:03 PM
I have the combo brackets from ballistic on my 44 and they send the control arms straight back. I'm hoping with the angled frame mounts it will solve the issue as how i had them mocked up they would be all up in the way of tires. With them on the driver side of the axle it crowded thats for sure.

the control arm mounts on the ballistic kit are angled not straight back. I have installed 3 of those kits and they all work fine on a waggy 44, you just have to trim some of the cast and you need to use the passenger mount on the drivers side and vice versa in order for the distance between coil mounts to be correct.

cannonball
10-18-2012, 06:35 PM
the control arm mounts on the ballistic kit are angled not straight back. I have installed 3 of those kits and they all work fine on a waggy 44, you just have to trim some of the cast and you need to use the passenger mount on the drivers side and vice versa in order for the distance between coil mounts to be correct.

so the balistic kit as in the ones marcus posted correct?

Steve97tj
10-18-2012, 07:30 PM
They're angled at 5 degrees, excuse me. Mine came already on the axle welded up and there is no removing them and reusing the mounts with how you'd have to cut them off if i was to want to move them.

Barnes makes a control arm/shock bracket http://www.barnes4wd.com/Axle-Link-Mount-Shock-Combo_p_260.html

And a coil spring mount although not all together http://www.barnes4wd.com/Coil-Spring-Bucket-Centered-Pair_p_96.html

97TJGUZZY
10-18-2012, 08:46 PM
They're angled at 5 degrees, excuse me. Mine came already on the axle welded up and there is no removing them and reusing the mounts with how you'd have to cut them off if i was to want to move them.

Barnes makes a control arm/shock bracket http://www.barnes4wd.com/Axle-Link-Mount-Shock-Combo_p_260.html

And a coil spring mount although not all together http://www.barnes4wd.com/Coil-Spring-Bucket-Centered-Pair_p_96.html

those barnes coil buckets dont put the coil spring far enough forward, it sits well over the front of the tube. You can make them out of 2x4 Tubing as well. I did that on my 44 when I had coils.

David D
10-19-2012, 06:20 AM
Sounds a hell of a lot easier to just buy coilovers.

97TJGUZZY
10-19-2012, 08:21 AM
Sounds a hell of a lot easier to just buy coilovers.

Easier, but alot more $$$

01tj
10-19-2012, 08:34 AM
IMO it would be more work to do coilovers by the time you cut the coil buckets/ shock mount off the frame and build shock hoops/ engine cage.

Steve97tj
10-19-2012, 08:43 AM
Agreed. And cost a heck of a lot more doing it too.

I'll grab a pic or two of those mounts on my 44 later or tomorrow to give you an idea. I think they definitely do the job, just little room on such a narrow axle. And if I recall correctly you don't have to weld the Trackbar mount onto them when putting together.


It may cost a bit more but you could pick up the things your lacking from partsmike.com or completeoffroad to get brand new stuff.

David D
10-19-2012, 08:49 AM
Easier, but alot more $$$

Depends on how you look at it. If your gonna end up running them in the end then it's a lot cheaper to do them now. Doing all the work and buying all the brackets for coils just to cut them off down the road to install coilovers ends up being a waste.

meaders
10-19-2012, 10:14 AM
Why not cut some coil mounts off a d30 and just make your own control arm mounts. the coil mounts already have the slope in them for the bottom coil to sit in so your coils don't always looked goofed.

not complicated......

cannonball
10-19-2012, 12:57 PM
Why not cut some coil mounts off a d30 and just make your own control arm mounts. the coil mounts already have the slope in them for the bottom coil to sit in so your coils don't always looked goofed.

not complicated......

That's true. May do that...

Any one know anything about these? They don't look bad and that warranty is great.

http://completeoffroad.com/i-1395712-1980-92-wagoneer-chrome-moly-axle-kit-w-spicer-u-joints-24138.html

Says call for manufacturer. So I would assume USA standard at that price.

Shilohsho
10-19-2012, 01:12 PM
Why not cut some coil mounts off a d30 and just make your own control arm mounts. the coil mounts already have the slope in them for the bottom coil to sit in so your coils don't always looked goofed.

not complicated......

Equals no money spent too.

01tj
10-19-2012, 01:51 PM
RPM quoted me 575 shipped for Yukon Chromos with Spicer Joints shipped to my door. They have gone up since I got the ones I used to run.

cannonball
10-19-2012, 03:59 PM
pulled the trigger on some chromos, install kit, new inner seals, and 4.56 gears today. Got it all from complete offroad. Great customer service with great prices. Those chromos posted above are yukon chromos.

Shilohsho
10-19-2012, 04:52 PM
Give us a total $ figure when you get it all done. It'll be interesting to see what it costs these days.

WeRideNTruX
10-20-2012, 12:11 AM
give me a shout when you need them gears done ill cut ya deal.

cannonball
10-20-2012, 01:44 AM
Give us a total $ figure when you get it all done. It'll be interesting to see what it costs these days.

sounds good man i will.

and i aint really tryin to have anyone other than myself set up the gears, thanks though.

bgredjeep
10-22-2012, 10:29 AM
Make sure you read the fine print on the shaft warranty. I bought Nitro shafts and they are covered for life for any failure other than a u-joint failure that breaks the shaft ears. Not a big deal as I picked up some Longfield 300m joints, but just make sure you know in case there is a similar restriction on yours. Being that they only cover the first replacement they might not have that restriction.

01STrunner
10-22-2012, 10:39 AM
Just gonna jump in and watch this as I get ready for my SAS.

01tj
10-22-2012, 01:12 PM
Here is how mine is Mason..
2011

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 02:34 PM
here is how mine was when I had coils, finally found the pics.

2012

2013

2014

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 02:35 PM
then when I did high steer it looked like this.

2015

Steve97tj
10-22-2012, 03:14 PM
Ill pull a pic of what mine looks like. The guy I bought it from had run it in an xj with upper on passenger side so the way he mounted the brackets causing some frustration for me. The way brooks did it looks good though.


There's some other brackets ill have to find not on my phone that I'd look at too. They mount and push your axle forward a little.

cannonball
10-22-2012, 05:24 PM
thanks for the pics guys. I was talking to marcus and he said he is still using the stock track bar location with his cross over steering. and he said he doesn't have any bump steer and the track bar is really close to in plane with the drag link. So i may try to do that. Cause that would save alot of hassle of where to put the track bar. And i can't imagine there is that big of a difference in the way mine will be set up and how marcus's sits right now.

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 05:26 PM
thanks for the pics guys. I was talking to marcus and he said he is still using the stock track bar location with his high steer. and he said he doesn't have any bump steer and the track bar is really close to in plane with the drag link. So i may try to do that. Cause that would save alot of hassle of where to put the track bar. And i can't imagine there is that big of a difference in the way mine will be set up and how marcus's sits right now.

i wouldnt do that. since he had high steer how many times do you think hes had that thing on the interstate and hit a bridge connection at 75?


and its really simple to setup with the trackbar mount to be correct, look at the last pic of my jeep. There is no reason not to do it right if your going to spend the time to do it.

cannonball
10-22-2012, 05:28 PM
i wouldnt do that. since he had high steer how many times do you think hes had that thing on the interstate and hit a bridge connection at 75?


and its really simple to setup with the trackbar mount to be correct, look at the last pic of my jeep. There is no reason not to do it right if your going to spend the time to do it.

i guess that's true too...

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 05:32 PM
I made my own frame side mount and bought a ballistic fab axle mount. Artec makes them for both ends.

https://artecindustries.3dcartstores.com/Adjustable-Panhard-Mount-for-Axle_p_288.html

https://artecindustries.3dcartstores.com/Adjustable-Frame-Panhard-Mount_p_285.html

these are the ballistic

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Offset-Panhard-Tracbar-mount_p_1629.html

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/NEW-Adjustable-Panhard-Tracbar-Frame-mount-_p_1669.html

Steve97tj
10-22-2012, 05:33 PM
These are the mounts i was talking of, i remember now why i didnt think i'd ever buy them $$$ but i'd copy something along the lines of it, kinda how brooks did. You can search pirate too for more pics of them and there 3" stretch kit, again overpriced as hell

http://www.sinisterfabworks.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=63

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 05:34 PM
2020

you can see the ballistic mount in this pic.

01tj
10-22-2012, 06:19 PM
i wouldnt do that. since he had high steer how many times do you think hes had that thing on the interstate and hit a bridge connection at 75?


and its really simple to setup with the trackbar mount to be correct, look at the last pic of my jeep. There is no reason not to do it right if your going to spend the time to do it.

Never was on the interstate with the 44 in it. Hahaha now that I think about it only been on the interstate 3 or 4 times since I've owned it, other than on a trailer. I wouldnt say my trac bar is incorrect either.

David D
10-22-2012, 06:56 PM
Barnes also makes panhard bar mounts. Hit me up, and I can get you them cheaper than advertised.

http://www.barnes4wd.com/Trackbar-Mounting-Brackets_c_32.html

cannonball
10-22-2012, 07:45 PM
Barnes also makes panhard bar mounts. Hit me up, and I can get you them cheaper than advertised.

http://www.barnes4wd.com/Trackbar-Mounting-Brackets_c_32.html

yeah i was thinking about ordering everything i needed from barnes. PM me your number david.

thanks for all the links brooks thats how i initially was planing, but wasn't sure how much room i'd have with the coils under there. and did you have your coil buckets centered over the axle? or were they slightly forward of the axle? also i'm guessing you made your shock mounts just attached to your LCA mounts?

97TJGUZZY
10-22-2012, 09:13 PM
yeah i was thinking about ordering everything i needed from barnes. PM me your number david.

thanks for all the links brooks thats how i initially was planing, but wasn't sure how much room i'd have with the coils under there. and did you have your coil buckets centered over the axle? or were they slightly forward of the axle? also i'm guessing you made your shock mounts just attached to your LCA mounts?

the coil buckets were forward of the axle just like stock, and I made shock mounts using a long bolt welded inside the coil mount box steel that extended back and the shock slid on... similar to how a rear XJ shockmount is on the axle. It was just a stud with a nut.

cannonball
10-24-2012, 11:09 AM
Talking to David about placing an order with Barnes for all the link stuff, and bought a Chevy flat top off a guy last night. Still is gonna need machining though. Where would y'all suggest to go? I hear tommy Glenn used to do them, but people aren't sure if he still does?

97TJGUZZY
10-24-2012, 11:19 AM
Talking to David about placing an order with Barnes for all the link stuff, and bought a Chevy flat top off a guy last night. Still is gonna need machining though. Where would y'all suggest to go? I hear tommy Glenn used to do them, but people aren't sure if he still does?

there are some companies on pirate, but I cant remember who.

when I was at clemson two guys used this company:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dana-44-Flat-Top-Knuckle-Machining-Service-/300626974936?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fec398d8&vxp=mtr

matth_85
10-24-2012, 11:42 AM
Call Foothills. They may know someone if they can't do it.

01tj
10-24-2012, 12:13 PM
Call Foothills. They may know someone if they can't do it.

Buddy prob. can do it. He does a good bit of machine work up there.

matth_85
10-24-2012, 12:24 PM
Thats what I figured. He was about half the price doin Jay's aluminum links of everyone else he talked with.

Steve97tj
10-24-2012, 12:48 PM
I actually looked this up last night and have it pulled up on my computer. I found two places that will do it 50-60 bucks I believe. One of which is the company that makes the high steer arms like brooks has, google behind the axle high steer Dana 44 and it should come up. Thinking they say throw knuckle or knuckles in a flat rate box ship it to them and it usually goes back out within 24 hrs.


Brooks I know I've asked before, but would you post up pics of your steering set up.

97TJGUZZY
10-24-2012, 12:57 PM
I actually looked this up last night and have it pulled up on my computer. I found two places that will do it 50-60 bucks I believe. One of which is the company that makes the high steer arms like brooks has, google behind the axle high steer Dana 44 and it should come up. Thinking they say throw knuckle or knuckles in a flat rate box ship it to them and it usually goes back out within 24 hrs.


Brooks I know I've asked before, but would you post up pics of your steering set up.

This is the Company that made my arms:
http://www.harshterrain.com/services/

This is the arm setup I have: (2nd one down)
http://www.harshterrain.com/parts/Steering/Dana_44_or_GM_10_Bolt/

I'll try to find some of mine after lunch.

01tj
10-24-2012, 01:38 PM
I like that my knuckles have 4 studs instead of 3. Wonder if you can get that done to a stock flat top?

matth_85
10-24-2012, 01:47 PM
I like that my knuckles have 4 studs instead of 3. Wonder if you can get that done to a stock flat top?

Wouldn't see why not. May have to have a custom made arm though.

Steve97tj
10-24-2012, 02:09 PM
I never thought about the 4 bolt, is the arm your running Marcus specifically for a Reid knuckle?


Also brooks, why did you decide to run the steering arms you did? I saw on there website they use a bigger spacer then regular which would seem to me you'd loose an inch of uptravel, I do like how it gets tierod out of weigh and seems to be easier to mount an assist ram.

01tj
10-24-2012, 02:25 PM
I never thought about the 4 bolt, is the arm your running Marcus specifically for a Reid knuckle?
I guess it was designed for the Reid knuckle, but Parts Mike sells them.

97TJGUZZY
10-24-2012, 02:45 PM
I never thought about the 4 bolt, is the arm your running Marcus specifically for a Reid knuckle?


Also brooks, why did you decide to run the steering arms you did? I saw on there website they use a bigger spacer then regular which would seem to me you'd loose an inch of uptravel, I do like how it gets tierod out of weigh and seems to be easier to mount an assist ram.

I had killed two steering stablizers mounted in front, so I wanted to put my steering ram behind the axle, and this was the only Way I knew how.

cannonball
10-26-2012, 02:37 PM
well the parts are starting to come in now.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/279DECB6-52FE-49FD-8EE1-06B423A99850-1262-000000EF4D943597.jpg

gears, install kit and chromos should be here today, but not sure if i will have left for columbia before they get here.

cannonball
10-26-2012, 04:05 PM
also just ordered the high steer arms and studs&cones.

cannonball
10-27-2012, 03:59 PM
did a little work to the 44 this morning. Cut the old brackets and cleaned her all up. she was a beauty under neither all the oil on it!

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/DDEF3759-DBBE-4C73-AC2D-73C52EDEA61D-2310-0000014F0AF94EB8.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/FFE4C6F5-D829-42C1-A65D-29BB714B6103-2310-0000014F11429DAD.jpg

gonna try and get the old ball joints pressed out of the chevy 44 today, then most likely call it a day.

anyone else see the all the road grime all over the floor?? :D

SEVENSLAT4X4
10-27-2012, 05:13 PM
Nice!!!!

97TJGUZZY
10-29-2012, 08:51 AM
did a little work to the 44 this morning. Cut the old brackets and cleaned her all up. she was a beauty under neither all the oil on it!

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/DDEF3759-DBBE-4C73-AC2D-73C52EDEA61D-2310-0000014F0AF94EB8.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/FFE4C6F5-D829-42C1-A65D-29BB714B6103-2310-0000014F11429DAD.jpg

gonna try and get the old ball joints pressed out of the chevy 44 today, then most likely call it a day.

anyone else see the all the road grime all over the floor?? :D

looking good, those balljoints were the most rusted I have ever seen.

Steve97tj
10-30-2012, 12:01 AM
Found a pic from the previous owner of my 44 so you can kinda see how the brackets fit.

2052

97TJGUZZY
10-30-2012, 08:23 AM
Found a pic from the previous owner of my 44 so you can kinda see how the brackets fit.

2052


did he run it in that Cherokee like that?

Steve97tj
10-30-2012, 09:40 AM
Ya I'm pretty sure. He ghetto'd up spring retainer wall around the pad. I cut the upper off of it and started messing with a truss but think I may buy synergy's 44 truss that ties diff into the truss and also saves me trying to fab one up, should be cleaner as well.

He had it in an xj I believe then that xj wagoneer. Ill see if I can find some better pics of it on my old computer.

cannonball
10-30-2012, 10:43 PM
all my parts came in today

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/15787034-CAA4-4484-A4A8-93606DD305D8-6993-0000040FA456BAE0.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/B5677207-E102-4849-990A-92C2C5DC47BF-6993-0000040FAA6C29D5.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/229F6D36-FE92-481A-BE4A-F2DA656378E4-6993-0000040FB4440465.jpg

and this comparison doesn't show too much. but that is a stock 3.73 8.8 pinion next to the new 44 pinion. You can see the contact patch on the 8.8 is much bigger, and the pinion shaft is bigger too. so that shows the reason on why i personally chose an 8.8 in the rear of mine over a 44. obviously the 8.8 pinion head is going to be much bigger cause there are more teeth on a 3.73 pinion than a 4.56 pinion though

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/E73A6FA8-3165-4A7E-B832-AD66327D1C6C-6993-0000040FBA08E84C.jpg

now time to just play the waiting game until i can build it and get it in. still got a few more parts to get such as diff cover, spring perches and synergy high clearance lower frame mounts.

jfhowel
10-30-2012, 11:02 PM
I bet ur roommate is just loving u with all the car parts in your dorm room

cannonball
10-30-2012, 11:29 PM
I bet ur roommate is just loving u with all the car parts in your dorm room

na he thinks its kinda funny, and literally has no clue what any of the stuff is. its all on my side so he can get over it:grin:

cannonball
11-01-2012, 02:41 PM
ordered a ruffstuff 3/8's diff cover today with their offset coil buckets! I chose a welded diff cover so i can weld my hydro assist mount onto it when i get to that for 1, and for 2 it aint cast.

01tj
11-05-2012, 07:52 AM
Heres you a spindle...
http://www.southernjeeps.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=39047

cannonball
11-24-2012, 01:29 PM
figured i'd post this in the thread cause i only have one spindle right now, and am having troubles finding a second one, so i think i'm just going to buy a new one from this site for 60 bucks. this is the cheapest place i could find.

http://www.durasolid.com/part-spindle-dana-44-gm-small-bearings-11.aspx

Clemson5.9ZJ
11-26-2012, 08:04 PM
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/3414434443.html

cannonball
11-26-2012, 08:24 PM
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/3414434443.html

The ford spindles only have 5 holes to bolt onto the spindle, but I need 6 to match the waggy/Chevy knuckle if that makes sense.

Clemson5.9ZJ
11-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Makes perfect sense, just saw and figured id post it up if you could use it.

cannonball
11-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Makes perfect sense, just saw and figured id post it up if you could use it.

Yeah no problem, thanks!

97TJGUZZY
11-26-2012, 09:15 PM
The ford spindles only have 5 holes to bolt onto the spindle, but I need 6 to match the waggy/Chevy knuckle if that makes sense.

thats actually a 6 lug spindle. Either he mislabled it as a ford, or its a ford ttb small bearing spindle.

cannonball
11-26-2012, 10:27 PM
thats actually a 6 lug spindle. Either he mislabled it as a ford, or its a ford ttb small bearing spindle.
A ford ttb small bearing spindle will not work on a waggy/Chevy knuckle right?

LBarr2002
11-26-2012, 10:38 PM
figured i'd post this in the thread cause i only have one spindle right now, and am having troubles finding a second one, so i think i'm just going to buy a new one from this site for 60 bucks. this is the cheapest place i could find.


You need a waggy spindle? There's usually some at pull a part or I have several J10 spindles around here somewhere. I assume they are the same.

01tj
11-26-2012, 10:54 PM
You need a waggy spindle? There's usually some at pull a part or I have several J10 spindles around here somewhere. I assume they are the same.

They are different. Waggy spindles are big bearing spindles. He needs them off 73.5-76 Chevy 44.

cannonball
11-26-2012, 11:10 PM
They are different. Waggy spindles are big bearing spindles. He needs them off 73.5-76 Chevy 44.

or early model waggy's. i think its 72 to 76 but i could be wrong. but i've honestly never seen that early of a waggy at the junkyard.

Shilohsho
11-26-2012, 11:55 PM
It's amazing that there can be so many variations to these axles.

97TJGUZZY
11-27-2012, 06:34 AM
A ford ttb small bearing spindle will not work on a waggy/Chevy knuckle right?

It will bolt up, but it makes your rotor 1/4" off so it wont work.

Steve97tj
11-27-2012, 08:30 AM
It's amazing that there can be so many variations to these axles.

I know seems that it's only 44's that are like that with so many damn variations.

97TJGUZZY
11-27-2012, 08:32 AM
just checked my old pics from my 44 build and that is in fact a TTB spindle, so it wont work for you. I have 3 of them in the garage.

2187

97TJGUZZY
11-27-2012, 08:45 AM
I know seems that it's only 44's that are like that with so many damn variations.

thats because tons of companies have used 44s for vehicles and machines. And they are changed to suite each use.

Chevys, Fords, Dodges, Jeeps, Nissans, Scouts, Tractors, Bucket lifts all have used forms of d44s

meaders
11-27-2012, 10:45 AM
why not have your spindle machined down to the right specs if you can't find one.

97TJGUZZY
11-27-2012, 11:10 AM
why not have your spindle machined down to the right specs if you can't find one.

That is also an option, although I'm not sure what the machining would cost compared to buying a new spindle.

01tj
11-27-2012, 11:31 AM
That is also an option, although I'm not sure what the machining would cost compared to buying a new spindle.

I'm not sure he even has a big bearing spindle, but if he wants to go that route I've got a few he can have.

cannonball
11-27-2012, 12:43 PM
Yeah I got two large bearing spindles, but I'd rather just buy a spindle new for 60 bucks then go through the process to get it machined down.

David D
11-27-2012, 03:16 PM
Can't you just order some spindles from parts mike?

97TJGUZZY
11-27-2012, 03:19 PM
Can't you just order some spindles from parts mike?

not sure how much the parts mike spindles were, but I know when I priced new spindles when I was doing my build they are around 100 each I thought. So if he can get them for $60 from durasolid I would say go for it and keep the stock one he has as a spare.

I have one I keep as a spare in case I screw up the bearing surface on one of mine somehow.

Steve97tj
11-27-2012, 05:26 PM
You should just run stock 30 outers so you don't have to worry about spindles :flipoff2:

cannonball
11-27-2012, 06:28 PM
You should just run stock 30 outers so you don't have to worry about spindles :flipoff2:

I was actually debating that cause hubs are just a pain in the *** :flipoff2:

David D
11-27-2012, 11:12 PM
Unit bearings for the win! Make shaft changes so much better.

cannonball
12-02-2012, 06:09 PM
just ordered a set of these

http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/products.php?product=New-Dana-60-%26-44-%26-30-Spindle-Bushings

figured i'd rather deal with these than needle bearings, and i think these will last a good while longer than standard bearings. thanks for pointin em out to me harvey

01tj
12-05-2012, 05:11 PM
http://greenville.craigslist.org/pts/3385086722.html

97TJGUZZY
12-05-2012, 05:15 PM
http://greenville.craigslist.org/pts/3385086722.html

spinners!!!!

cannonball
12-05-2012, 05:57 PM
actually just ordered a set of wheels today, just decided to order a set new and just get them shipped to my uncles. Was too lazy to try and load them up in the jeep. Ready to get this ball on the road!!! 8 more days of hell studying for finals, then it will be time for some much needed garage time!:grinpimp:

cannonball
12-16-2012, 11:08 PM
Axle is geared, and all put together. Here is a random pic after the regear.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/C8882CD7-97DA-433A-84CD-CAAE5D3A946A-7167-0000055E68ABE339.jpg

Then I put the diff cover on to find that it doesn't clear the ring gear bolts so I had to take out a little of material to get it to clear

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/B161B582-37AA-412F-9B78-937FF04D197E-7167-0000055E6ED1A136.jpg

Then got started on the truss and burned the coil buckets in. Didn't realize they were 3/8 steel, complete over kill so I connected the truss to it.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/3E220F03-FAC3-4834-9979-09DE4E229EC0-7167-0000055E74CB0F77.jpg

Here is where I stopped tonight. Front end is getting ripped apart tomorrow. :cheers2:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/216A3D20-F059-4164-A7B4-11DA4E5F87F2-7167-0000055E7CEF3F50.jpg

01STrunner
12-17-2012, 09:43 AM
Good luck on the swap. What gears are you running that they were hitting the cover?

cannonball
12-17-2012, 03:09 PM
Good luck on the swap. What gears are you running that they were hitting the cover?

The gears weren't hitting the cover, it was the ring gear bolts.

97TJGUZZY
12-17-2012, 03:12 PM
The gears weren't hitting the cover, it was the ring gear bolts.

Are you running a stock highway gear carrier with thick gears or a lower gear carrier with thin gears?

01STrunner
12-17-2012, 04:04 PM
The gears weren't hitting the cover, it was the ring gear bolts.

Oh I read that wrong.

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-17-2012, 07:45 PM
I hear you Mason getting stuff done! What coil spring buckets are you running?

cannonball
12-17-2012, 11:45 PM
I hear you Mason getting stuff done! What coil spring buckets are you running?

Ruff stuff offset ones. Stupid big :grin pump:

Got another pretty good chunk of work taken out today. Was workin alot slower today cause my uncle had a doctors appointment and didnt get back till 4. I finished up the truss cause I still had to fill in the back side, and another piece on the front and grind her smooth. Here is what the finished product looks like.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/01263247-B1C9-4BA5-8490-8ECCC0820585-7801-000005CA4BC10C7A.jpg

Then chopped the front end out. I've started hangin links and have the axle in position just forgot to take some pictures. Should be pretty darn close to finished tomorrow afternoon.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/21562E86-13AC-4133-9F8F-DDAB26ED2AC0-7801-000005CA45B879B3.jpg

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-18-2012, 03:15 PM
Finally went and got my 44. Got a set of J10 axles. Getting rid of the rear and then getting a 9" when I finish this. Thinking about going to a 3 link in the front over the radius arms Im running now.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/masterlugi/BF827787-D7A4-4D17-AB49-C529513C9290-3073-0000035291ADBAC7.jpg

Shilohsho
12-18-2012, 06:41 PM
When you gonna start that Ronnie?

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-18-2012, 06:50 PM
When you gonna start that Ronnie?

Going to start building it up in the garage now, truss coil buckets etc. gonna order the 3/4 heim steering kit, lower control arm mounts, and all the stuff to make my radius arms into a 3 link and then build everything else. Since I need my jeep over break I'll probably start tearing it down right when the next semester begins.

97TJGUZZY
12-18-2012, 07:02 PM
Going to start building it up in the garage now, truss coil buckets etc. gonna order the 3/4 heim steering kit, lower control arm mounts, and all the stuff to make my radius arms into a 3 link and then build everything else. Since I need my jeep over break I'll probably start tearing it down right when the next semester begins.

sounds good, what is the wms on that j10 axle, I know you have said before but I forget.

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-18-2012, 08:03 PM
I want to say 65-66. I'm at work right now and can't remember.

David D
12-18-2012, 09:51 PM
I believe it's 64.5 if my memory is working right now.

97TJGUZZY
12-19-2012, 08:45 AM
I want to say 65-66. I'm at work right now and can't remember.

what bolt pattern do you plan to run? If you are happy with your 8.8 setup, you could run wheel adapters on the rear and you would only be ~2 inches wider in the front.

97TJGUZZY
12-19-2012, 09:58 AM
If you already have a built 8.8, pick up a truck width 8.8 and swap the gears/locker over. WMS will match front and rear and you don't have to mess with wheel spacers.

I've always loved a 9" except for the stupid low pinion. That's the only reason I'd suggest not swapping one in.


It will be a little bit wider than the J10 axle, From memory, the ford truck 8.8s are 65.5-66" wide. If you do go with a f150 8.8 be sure to get one of the pre 98 axles as they are 5 on 5.5.

only bad thing about the truck 8.8s is they didnt come with disc brakes till after they went to the metric bolt pattern.

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-19-2012, 10:50 AM
what bolt pattern do you plan to run? If you are happy with your 8.8 setup, you could run wheel adapters on the rear and you would only be ~2 inches wider in the front.

I plan to keep 6 lug and get a set of shafts made for the 9".


If you already have a built 8.8, pick up a truck width 8.8 and swap the gears/locker over. WMS will match front and rear and you don't have to mess with wheel spacers.

I've always loved a 9" except for the stupid low pinion. That's the only reason I'd suggest not swapping one in.

Well I do like my 8.8 and honestly I would like to run a full width one but Im not for a couple reasons. One is C-clip, Ive never had a break in my current axle but I know itll happen one day and I dont want to be stuck on the trail with my tire falling off. Another is that my gears and locker Im running now have so much gear whine above 50 mph and slop in them its outrageous. When you put the jeep in drive from park the driveshaft rotates about 3/4 a turn and slams the gears/locker into engagment(for lack of better words..) So since Im trying to get the Jeep back into driveable status to the trail I dont want to run these. What really has me thinking though is Ive seen a good handful of 9" breaks but I have never seen an 8.8 break.

97TJGUZZY
12-19-2012, 10:54 AM
I plan to keep 6 lug and get a set of shafts made for the 9".



Well I do like my 8.8 and honestly I would like to run a full width one but Im not for a couple reasons. One is C-clip, Ive never had a break in my current axle but I know itll happen one day and I dont want to be stuck on the trail with my tire falling off. Another is that my gears and locker Im running now have so much gear whine above 50 mph and slop in them its outrageous. When you put the jeep in drive from park the driveshaft rotates about 3/4 a turn and slams the gears/locker into engagment(for lack of better words..) So since Im trying to get the Jeep back into driveable status to the trail I dont want to run these. What really has me thinking though is Ive seen a good handful of 9" breaks but I have never seen an 8.8 break.

If you break a shaft in an 8.8 the disc brake will hold the shaft in. But you wouldnt want to drive it very far on an 8.8 or a 9" with a broken shaft because the inner piece is going to rape the outside of your carrier bearings.

and yeah, 9" are known for stripping splines, and lockers.

01tj
12-19-2012, 11:05 AM
If you break a shaft in an 8.8 the disc brake will hold the shaft in. But you wouldnt want to drive it very far on an 8.8 or a 9" with a broken shaft because the inner piece is going to rape the outside of your carrier bearings.

and yeah, 9" are known for stripping splines, and lockers.

If I go through with what I've been thinking about I may run a Trail Gear 9 with a 5 lug 60 front. I think that 9" maybe different since its got unit bearings.

matth_85
12-19-2012, 11:19 AM
If I go through with what I've been thinking about I may run a Trail Gear 9 with a 5 lug 60 front. I think that 9" maybe different since its got unit bearings.

Apparently they are pretty good. Thats what I got Chris for his new ride.

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-19-2012, 08:15 PM
So Im trying to remove the cast leaf spring perch off the driver side of the axle housing. Me and David did some measurments today and its going to be in the way of my coil spring mounts. Anyone have any tips for this? Heres a picture of what I started doing and Im getting my *** kicked by it now, cant make it budge.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/masterlugi/ACB0A7F6-A0E8-41FF-BA3C-AB0B6EE9F57E-554-0000004A7DEEB40B.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/masterlugi/01D40502-EBD0-4176-A6CA-13DF7189531A-554-0000004A71C9AA98.jpg

97TJGUZZY
12-19-2012, 08:21 PM
I did exactly that on my 44, once you get it cut all the way through to the axle tube it will come right off

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-19-2012, 08:48 PM
Cool good to hear. Getting dark and our lights in the garage suck. Ive just been worried about cutting to deep into the tube. Guess the tubes are thick and if I do cut a little deep can just weld it up after. Im gonna start cutting again in the morning.

cannonball
12-19-2012, 09:04 PM
I welded mine onto the cast. Yes people say stuff about welding to cast is weak, but it's almost as strong if you hear it up. So we heated it up before welding too it, and with 3/8 inch coil buckets I don't think it's going to be a problem strength wise

David D
12-19-2012, 09:26 PM
I welded mine onto the cast. Yes people say stuff about welding to cast is weak, but it's almost as strong if you hear it up. So we heated it up before welding too it, and with 3/8 inch coil buckets I don't think it's going to be a problem strength wise

The welds made between cast and mild are not weak, there just a pain in the *** to do right.


Heres a picture of what I started doing and Im getting my *** kicked by it now, cant make it budge.

More cutting, less b!tching!

meaders
12-20-2012, 09:38 AM
So Im trying to remove the cast leaf spring perch off the driver side of the axle housing. Me and David did some measurments today and its going to be in the way of my coil spring mounts. Anyone have any tips for this? Heres a picture of what I started doing and Im getting my *** kicked by it now, cant make it budge.


There's a picture just a few posts up that shows a helleva lot easier way..........

97TJGUZZY
12-20-2012, 09:50 AM
There's a picture just a few posts up that shows a helleva lot easier way..........

i dont get it? a 9"?

meaders
12-20-2012, 09:53 AM
i dont get it? a 9"?

wtf???????. The picture of mcannons.

97TJGUZZY
12-20-2012, 09:57 AM
wtf???????. The picture of mcannons.

i cant see any pictures...haha. So i didnt see his. I thought the pic of Ronnies 44 was cut just like masons?

meaders
12-20-2012, 10:03 AM
yeah, he didn't cut the cast off......

97TJGUZZY
12-20-2012, 10:06 AM
yeah, he didn't cut the cast off......

oh, your talking about how mason welded it to the cast. mmmmm i'm still skeptical on that. I guess for a coil bucket it would be ok, I would hesitate to weld the control arm to the cast though. I know tons of people do it, I just dont like it. haha.

meaders
12-20-2012, 12:03 PM
if ya scared, say ya scared. :flipoff2: lol..... cast steel and cast iron are way different. I know you can remember back in the day the pitman arms as highsteer arms.......

97TJGUZZY
12-20-2012, 12:22 PM
if ya scared, say ya scared. :flipoff2: lol..... cast steel and cast iron are way different. I know you can remember back in the day the pitman arms as highsteer arms.......

yeah, i'm just skeptical of all cast stuff being welded, its just so brittle.

Shilohsho
12-20-2012, 01:13 PM
Axle is geared, and all put together. Here is a random pic after the regear.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/C8882CD7-97DA-433A-84CD-CAAE5D3A946A-7167-0000055E68ABE339.jpg

Then I put the diff cover on to find that it doesn't clear the ring gear bolts so I had to take out a little of material to get it to clear

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/B161B582-37AA-412F-9B78-937FF04D197E-7167-0000055E6ED1A136.jpg

Then got started on the truss and burned the coil buckets in. Didn't realize they were 3/8 steel, complete over kill so I connected the truss to it.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/3E220F03-FAC3-4834-9979-09DE4E229EC0-7167-0000055E74CB0F77.jpg

Here is where I stopped tonight. Front end is getting ripped apart tomorrow. :cheers2:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j354/mcannon111/216A3D20-F059-4164-A7B4-11DA4E5F87F2-7167-0000055E7CEF3F50.jpg

The 3/8" steel for the coil spring welded to the axle tube on one side and then welded to cast on the other is beef enough. There isn't really any torsion on the perch.

cannonball
12-20-2012, 02:17 PM
The 3/8" steel for the coil spring welded to the axle tube on one side and then welded to cast on the other is beef enough. There isn't really any torsion on the perch.

I honestly doubt I will have any strength issues, if I do ill post up. But everything on there is solid

97TJGUZZY
12-20-2012, 02:51 PM
The 3/8" steel for the coil spring welded to the axle tube on one side and then welded to cast on the other is beef enough. There isn't really any torsion on the perch.

I think its fine for the coil bucket, I would just be worried if he had the lower control arm mounted the same way.

meaders
12-20-2012, 04:01 PM
my control arm mount is mounted half on the cast and tied into the coil bucket that is half on the cast. No reason to be worried the world is starting to end tomorrow anyway.

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-21-2012, 11:30 AM
my control arm mount is mounted half on the cast and tied into the coil bucket that is half on the cast. No reason to be worried the world is starting to end tomorrow anyway.

Update from Australia... No use in working on the 44 today then
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/598402_10151214431311909_569458058_n.jpg

97TJGUZZY
12-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Aaarhh. Gozzirrah!!!

VOLT
12-21-2012, 01:06 PM
Oh snap!!! A UFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!!!!!

Clemson5.9ZJ
12-23-2012, 06:39 PM
Cast section removed, lots more tube to work with. Trying to find some steel tomorrow to start coil buckets and the truss.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/masterlugi/29455072-8F61-4A88-8AB7-309831980A0D-586-000000540598B090.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/masterlugi/0E7041EA-FE5B-414E-82F1-C3DA05C402B6-586-00000054ABF7CB7E.jpg

cannonball
12-23-2012, 07:01 PM
ron you gonna explode your 30 at highway 11 this weekend?